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I'm listening to the radio and this song comes on, "Heart Shaped Box" (I knew the name, and I knew the song, but either i'm only now connecting them together or I've previously done so but forgotten I had; quite possibly the latter, as I'm sure I'll forget this again after today).

I was probably 12 when I first heard Nirvana but i was already giving up on pop music. I wanted desperately to be cool but I just couldn't stand any of the music on the radio any more.

And I listen to this song now, and I still don't like it. But it doesn't seem to have such a visceral effect on me any more, either. I mean, maybe part of that's because I'm an old curmudgeon rather than a 12-year-old to whom nothing had really happened so I could still afford to experience everything as emotionally charged.

But part of it, too, is that I know I'm ilstening to a radio station with a really eclectic playlist and something totally different will be along in a minute. (It's just changed to The Pogues' version of "Dirty Old Town"; much more my kind of thing). In the early/mid 90s, that wasn't the case. Everything on the radio was grunge, or wanted to be. Or else, Jewel. (I'm so bitter that my British friends got to listen to Pulp and Blur and all the other Britpop bands around this time; there was nothing like such good taste on my side of the ocean.) At that time, Nirvana was just...what music sounded like, as ubiquitous as water is to fish, and as inescapable.

And it reminds me of something I read in The Rest is Noise the other day, something about how the reaction to Arnold Schönberg kind of mellowed out as his career went on. His, shall we say challenging, musical ideas excited some people but really put off others. His faithful atonal and twelve-tone disciplines were many; his influence on the music of the 20th century is tremendous; people could be been forgiven for at first worrying that all music would have to sound like his "lab work" as another composer put it: "Non, ce n'est pas de la musique... c'est du laboratoire" ("That isn't music … it's lab-work").

So it must have been some relief to them to see that, while atonality was a lot more than just a fad, at least it wasn't all-consuming; people still wrote nice tunes with proper key signatures. Grunge had its day, but it sounds so dated to me now (which is a relief when it was once the water i had to swim in).

It's such a relief to know not all music is going to have to sound like that! isn't it?

Whichever "that" you happen to be thinking about.

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Date: 2012-01-27 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tyrell.livejournal.com
I'm in Serbia. They're so advanced, this is what passes for cool music on the radio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX-8MHKuQ5I

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Date: 2012-01-27 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tyrell.livejournal.com
The internet is a wonderful thing :)

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Date: 2012-01-27 03:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sfred
I did like Nirvana very much at the time - and I'm still fond of them - but I vastly preferred Pearl Jam and thought they were only less popular because they were less screwed-up. They had tunes and lyrics and stuff. I loved REM as well - more than any of the British bands I liked at the time except possibly Pulp.

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Date: 2012-01-27 04:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sfred
:-) I had Monster on cassette, and I taped a gig from the Monster tour from the radio (and have since painstakingly converted it to minidisk and later to .mp3).

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Date: 2012-01-27 04:07 pm (UTC)
sfred: Fred wearing a hat in front of a trans flag (Default)
From: [personal profile] sfred
Maybe I should make you a "best of Pearl Jam" mix...

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Date: 2012-01-27 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
I think you should!

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Date: 2012-01-27 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haggis.livejournal.com
I really loved Nirvana (and still quite like them) but the context was different for me - they were the favourite band of a cool friends who were a few years older and they were an alternative to mandatory Take That/East 17 fandom.

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Date: 2012-01-27 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
Ah, I'm sorry to hear that was your experience.

In my part of "on this side of the Atlantic", KROQ was playing Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Blur and probably Pulp, although I don't remember. And so was Live105, in the Bay Area. Coastal city privs.

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Date: 2012-01-27 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_luaineach/
Yes, I was about to say the same thing about Cleveland, Chicago, and then later L.A., which I moved to in 92): we had an alt station in cleveland (like a regular one, not a college one, though we had plenty of those, too, with shows devoted to alt music) that played the cure et al through my highschool years and chicago radio offered the whole madchester (happy mondays ftw!) sound (as well as other alt stuff) through the early 90's (as did a lot of the dance clubs) and then L.A., of course, also offered everything.

I'm editing to add that the whole grunge thing was never my scene at the time but now, much later, I do have a real appreciation for Pearl Jam and Soundgarden (who I liked better than nirvana even back then, just didn't really like). Still no like for nirvana, though.
Edited Date: 2012-01-27 08:50 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2012-01-28 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
Mm. For commercial radio, yes. Not for college/indie radio.

OH GOD Rodney on the ROQ. @.@ I'm earwormed with his voice now. CURSE YOU, ANDREW HICKEY!

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Date: 2012-01-28 01:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] taimatsu
I'd forgotten I knew Dirty Old Town! I wish Robert would get his arse in gear and give me the music he owes me. Hmph.

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Date: 2012-01-28 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tdaschel.livejournal.com
ha! it was .. 2001 before i found 90's music i actually liked (most of it SAD, faux-apocalyptic or sounding like a "grown-up version of Yes"): magnetic fields (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_2Xptbc8i8), low (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYhIcT1nFsw&feature=related), red house painters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHLWqqb5--Y), GY!BE, labradford, rachel's, cat power

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Date: 2012-01-29 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosalux.livejournal.com
The thing about grunge was, people loved it because before that we thought all music was always going to sound like Van Halen forevermore.

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