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Some people who seem confused about when and how to use "I" and "me" think they've cleverly gotten around this by replacing both words with "myself." Thus sentences like Bob and myself went to that show or Jane went to the show with myself and Bob. The first sentence would otherwise have "I" in it, because that's what you use for the subjects of sentences, and the second would have "me" because that's used when you're the object of your sentence.

While this may not be technically wrong, I think it's an overused affectation that makes people who use it sound like they're either confused, pretentious, or both, and neither of which really appeals to me. It's not as if I can't be friends with someone who says "myself" a lot, it's not even something that bothers me very much (there are far worse grammatical atrocities commited every day!). It's just there.

The other problem with "myself" is that it lets people think it sounds okay to say "myself and Bob," when convention dictates that if your list of people includes yourself, the pronoun referring to you is last.

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Date: 2004-08-26 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilker.livejournal.com
Would you say that the myself construction is more bothersome or less bothersome than “Bob and me went to that show” or “Jane went to the show with Bob and I”?

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Date: 2004-08-26 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stealthmunchkin.livejournal.com
In my case 'Bob and me...' is so prevalent in this area that I probably involuntarily fall into that usage occasionally. On the other hand *no-one* uses 'Bob and I' in my area, so that just sounds *ODD*...

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Date: 2004-08-26 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawgdays.livejournal.com
Please stop. That second example set me to twitching.

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Date: 2004-08-26 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karaksindru.livejournal.com
"Allow myself to introduce ... myself.."

sorry, couln't resist.

I think it's just part of my scholastic upbringing, but things like it's/its, me/I, their/they're/there, etc. were drilled into us repeatedly and they seem like such basic parts of grammar that I'm astounded people don't understand them more...

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Date: 2004-08-26 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madscience.livejournal.com
You may be right about it being a solution to the I/me problem, but I've also noticed it used when a person is trying to sound intelligent by being verbose.

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Date: 2004-08-26 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toastedtuna.livejournal.com
Don't get I started. Misuse of 'I' and 'me' botherses myself like you wouldn't BELIEVE! Me simply cannot stand it, and myself wantses to throttle thoses who not only misuses them while speaking, but also any and all editorses to allow such misconstrued wordses to appear in print (ie: "This is Erin and I on our wedding day.")!

The monster-in-law used to have the following on her answering machine, "Hello. Ed or I can't get to the phone right now..." It's all I can do to spend a day with this woman and her butchering of the language.

Because she has heard me talking to the TV whenever someone misuses 'I' and 'me,' she, too, has begun using 'myself' in an effort to sound less stupid.

It doesn't work.

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Date: 2004-08-27 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilker.livejournal.com
“This is Erin and I” is correct.

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Date: 2004-08-27 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hilker.livejournal.com
Yes. This is known as the predicate nominative, (http://www.bartleby.com/68/25/4725.html) although only a card-carrying prescriptivist pedant would use it in informal conversation.

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Date: 2004-08-27 09:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toastedtuna.livejournal.com
No, it's not.

You don't say, "This is I on my wedding day," you say, "This is me on my wedding day," so it's incorrect.

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Date: 2004-08-26 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angel-thane.livejournal.com
Myself, I find those usages of 'myself' to be awkward, and ugly.

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Date: 2004-08-27 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gentleman-lech.livejournal.com
I don't much care for using "myself" where it doesn't belong, myself, but that might just be me.

:)

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Date: 2004-08-29 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cake-o-rama.livejournal.com
Or you could go around grammatically oblivious and use it as I do...an amusing replacement for 'me too.'

"Gahd I'm I'm hot" Big Mama might say.

"Mahself."

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Date: 2004-08-30 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cake-o-rama.livejournal.com
Tanks...I don't think I've ever been all that cool before..well maybe in Missouri. I'm probably pretty cool in Misery.

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