And lust can exist independently of love, or romanticism, just like lemons and limes can exist independently of G. And of T.
I personally think there is a whole continuum and range of feelings and circumstances, so it's quite hard to make it as cut-and-dried as platonic vs romantic.
But there are definitely "guys I'd sleep with," "guys I wouldn't sleep with." The "guys I'd fall in love with" category is a subset only of the "sleep with category," but the "guys I wouldn't fall in love with but like as friends" category exists both in "sleep with" and "wouldn't sleep with," depending on the guy. Unfortunately, the "guys I find loathsome" category also overlaps both "sleep with" and "wouldn't sleep with", which is simply poor judgement on my part.
This would be much more clear if I'd used Venn diagrams...
Umm, I think your Venn diagram, although colorful, isn't accurate. For example, your "Guys I'd sleep with," and "Guys I wouldn't sleep with," circles intersect, producing what logically seems should be "Guys I would and also would not sleep with," but which combination you've labeled, "Guys I wouldn't fall in love with but like as friends."
I've taken the liberty to construct what I believe to be a more accurate representation:
You can damn my love of logic and my hours of free time, if you like.
I'm not sure "would fall in love with" is a subset of "would sleep with." I've fallen in love with people I wasn't ready to consumate with, and might never have been. And, of course, for some people, "in love with" MUST preceed "sleep with."
As Comradexavier said, this just represents my own oddities, and isn't intended to illustrate anyone else's. : ) In my case, I can't have a romantic relationship that doesn't include sex of some kind (the whole "intercourse isn't the only satisfying form of sex" discussion is for another day). Notice I said a *romantic* relationship - I can certainly be very close to someone with whom I'm not sexually intimate, but I don't classify that as a romantic relationship.
Also, I can (quite easily) have romantic feelings for someone I haven't slept with yet or can't sleep with because of the circumstances, so perhaps "in love with" wasn't the most accurate way to put it. "In a romantic relationship with" is probably better, since it implies something that doesn't just exist in my own head.
I will not damn a thing (except perhaps my lack of caffeination and tendency to be slapdash) - yours is in fact much more accurate. Thank you for putting that together!
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Date: 2004-04-16 02:10 pm (UTC)I personally think there is a whole continuum and range of feelings and circumstances, so it's quite hard to make it as cut-and-dried as platonic vs romantic.
But there are definitely "guys I'd sleep with," "guys I wouldn't sleep with." The "guys I'd fall in love with" category is a subset only of the "sleep with category," but the "guys I wouldn't fall in love with but like as friends" category exists both in "sleep with" and "wouldn't sleep with," depending on the guy. Unfortunately, the "guys I find loathsome" category also overlaps both "sleep with" and "wouldn't sleep with", which is simply poor judgement on my part.
This would be much more clear if I'd used Venn diagrams...
Helga
Voila! My very own Venn...
Date: 2004-04-16 02:32 pm (UTC)Here's the visual aid for my previous comment: OH... the Venny Goodness (http://www.venndiagram.com/detail.lasso?id=1129986319.gif)
Helga
Re: Voila! My very own Venn...
Date: 2004-04-16 03:54 pm (UTC)Umm, I think your Venn diagram, although colorful, isn't accurate. For example, your "Guys I'd sleep with," and "Guys I wouldn't sleep with," circles intersect, producing what logically seems should be "Guys I would and also would not sleep with," but which combination you've labeled, "Guys I wouldn't fall in love with but like as friends."
I've taken the liberty to construct what I believe to be a more accurate representation:
You can damn my love of logic and my hours of free time, if you like.
Re: Voila! My very own Venn...
Date: 2004-04-16 04:42 pm (UTC)Re: Voila! My very own Venn...
Date: 2004-04-16 04:47 pm (UTC)You're free to organize your graph however you like. :-)
Re: Voila! My very own Venn...
Date: 2004-04-16 07:15 pm (UTC)Also, I can (quite easily) have romantic feelings for someone I haven't slept with yet or can't sleep with because of the circumstances, so perhaps "in love with" wasn't the most accurate way to put it. "In a romantic relationship with" is probably better, since it implies something that doesn't just exist in my own head.
Helga
Re: Voila! My very own Venn...
Date: 2004-04-16 07:04 pm (UTC)Helga