Korean

[cosmolinguist]

Was talking to matgb and innerbrat and magister yesterday and Mat told me how interesting Korean seems as a language: "Nobody really knows where it came from," he said. It's not related to other languages. Apparently there's a debate about whether Korean is related to Tamil, thanks to traders along the Silk Road, but that seems pretty mysterious in itself: why would that one group of people or words make an impact where apparently nothing else did?

I knew a little about the Korean writing system, which is also unique and intends to have similar sounds also look similar, and there's some connection between the characters and how the sounds they represent are made when they're spoken. This system, hangul, was apparently designed by the great Sejong, a 15th-century king (though he may have had help!), who was concerned at how few people could read and write so made this to help more people do so. He said, "A wise man can acquaint himself with them before the morning is over; a stupid man can learn them in the space of ten days." So maybe there's hope even for me! Amid early opposition from a literary elite that apparently liked being an elite, hangul was apparently used mainly for things like women's diaries and books for children. Which just makes it sound all the more awesome to me, frankly.

Then Debi started talking about all the Korean dramas she could tell me about that she liked. I can't remember the names, sadly, but she was able to inform me that they all involve a lot of women cross-dressing. She isn't sure if that's a facet of Korean culture or just that which has filtered through to and appealed to her. Girls dressing up as their brothers to get educations not available to women and that sort of thing seemed to be common.

Then James was telling me about a zombie movie (which I think is called The Train to Busan?) that he says is really good. "You should learn Korean so you can watch that without having to worry about the subtitles," he said.

Imagine, me turning up to Korean class on the first day and being asked why I'm there. "I've heard the dramas and zombie movies are good."

Comments

[syntaxofthings]

Korean dramas ARE really good though, and the Korean-beauty bloggers are all learning hangul in order to understand what's written on their products, so you're in good company for amusing reasons to learn Korean. I had a period of time when I was really into K-dramas: the movies I could find were so much more interesting than American movies (and that is probably still the case).

I am looking forward to hearing more Korean \o/

[strange_complex]

These all sound like pretty good reasons to me! And of course it will be an unusual and hopefully saleable skill to know even a little Korean and be based in the UK.

[brithistorian]

So you've settled on Korean?

If I was in class with you, I'd have to answer "So I can understand the lyrics of K-pop songs."

[cosmolinguist]

I haven't settled yet. I just thought it was funny that everybody in the room had different reasons why this was good, in a short stretch of conversation.

[cosmolinguist]

This is a good point!

[cosmolinguist]

the Korean-beauty bloggers are all learning hangul in order to understand what's written on their products, so you're in good company for amusing reasons to learn Korean.

This never would have occurred to me in a million years, and is really making me smile, so thanks for that.

There's probably some Korean stuff on Netflix/Amazon, I should have a look.

[brithistorian]

Ah, OK. I misunderstood. It's funny how in a group of people you can have several arrive at the same conclusion from completely different directions.

[po8crg]

Hangul / Hangeul is fascinating.

Also, xidnaf's rant on this is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K53oCDZPPiw

(it's a video, but you really don't need the images)

[matgb]

It's funny how in a group of people you can have several arrive at the same conclusion from completely different directions.

Yup, innerbrat suggested it without knowing I'd already done so while we were talking about it and we just started talking about all the weird things we knew that sometimes crossover (she's watched a drama set in my favourite bit of Korean history so knew stuff I didn't, etc).

(and I had to struggle to stop myself correcting magister's terrible pronunciation of Busan because I'm not sure mine is any better, I just knew his was wrong)

[matgb]

Heh: Tamil would've come from sea based trade/settling if that's actually linked, Finno-Ugric would've come alone silk road trading, both are tendentious apparently: one of the problems tracing the earlier languages is hanja are of course pictograms not related to pronunciation so it's really hard to even trace the development of spoken Chinese despite the very long written record.

Apparently it's even possible that the languages split from a more central source like Taiwan that has now lost that language due to later conquest, which'd be weird because Taiwan is thought to be the source of the Polynesian settlers and they have a different language group again.

I've had to stop clicking through to another Wiki article now because I'm meant to be getting other things done…

[cosmolinguist]

I love that video, thanks. :)

[syntaxofthings]

:D

I remember Korean stuff on Hulu back in the day, before Hulu became subscription-only, so I imagine Netflix/Amazon has things too.

[lenores_raven]

Oh, I was obsessed with Korean dramas during my previous vacation. They are too good! :-)